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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073047" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073047">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1172">@WG-async-foundations</span> <span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073168" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073168">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:04)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://hackmd.io/S8eYagcPSnezRmTdEwyB4Q">Agenda</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073218" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073218">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm going to try doing things in a slightly more structured way this week :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073312" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073312">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, we are expanding the slot past 30 min to leave time for both triage and "vision talk"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073381" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073381">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>If <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> is around, we could dive right into the vision doc discussion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073486">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>w00t!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073648" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073648">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay, I'm guessing Niko's busy right now, let's do some issue triage</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073704" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073704">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<h1>Issue triage</h1>
<p>We have 2 new issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073751" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073751">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116883">tmandry</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12/near/230073648">said</a>:</p>
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<p>Okay, I'm guessing Niko's busy right now, let's do some issue triage</p>
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<p>I expect to come back to the vision later in the meeting, btw</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073767" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073767">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<h2>Nested async closures result in exponential compilation time increase <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/83031">#83031</a></h2>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073879" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073879">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>interesting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073893" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073893">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>this sounds like some issues that have been filed before</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073959" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073959">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/75992">#75992</a> and <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61324">#61324</a> and <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/54540">#54540</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230073997" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Sean McArthur <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230073997">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I heard you like to <code>await</code>, so <code>log(|| async { log(|| async { log(|| async move { log(route).await }).await }).await }).await</code> <span aria-label="eyes" class="emoji emoji-1f440" role="img" title="eyes">:eyes:</span></p>



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<p>Interesting that release mode builds are faster</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230074249" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230074249">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>that suggests the slowdown is happening somewhere after MIR optimization</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230074427" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230074427">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>so we can probably rule out it being a dupe of the NLL issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230074523" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230074523">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>(wave)</p>



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<p>(sorry, I lost track of time!)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230074564" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230074564">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but I'm happy we started with issue triage, it's what I would've suggested anyway, since we didn't do it last time)</p>



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<p>Okay, I'm thinking some of those older issues need to be closed and we should just track this separately</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230074794" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230074794">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>sounds good</p>



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<p>it'd be good to test if they reproduce</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075036" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075036">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not aware of why they wouldn't really :)</p>



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<p>but people may have fixed them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075180" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075180">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>my thinking is they have a lot of history and talk about related issues like the type_length_limit which were resolved</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075206" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075206">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>they are still a possible source of good test cases / benchmarks</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075212" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075212">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>(side note, might make additions to a user story...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075252" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075252">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but only if they're still reproducing)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075263" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075263">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think they're basically the same</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075433" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075433">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, github is not working for me right now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075472" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075472">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I haven't been able to comment on / close <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/75992">#75992</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075500" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075500">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>Want me to?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075510" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075510">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>sure!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075564" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075564">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I just referenced the above discussion and pointed to the new issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075589" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075589">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>or, tried to</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075681" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075681">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>in terms of priority</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075749" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075749">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd say medium, I think?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075790" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075790">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>like probably not enough to go On Deck unless we get more reports</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075798" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075798">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>er...GitHub is giving me issues too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075813" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075813">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>that sounds right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230075819" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230075819">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>(also, we have way too many On Deck issues)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076112" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076112">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can't mark the issue as triaged but can do it later</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076117" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076117">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>let's move on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076202" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076202">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>You didn't actually close this issue :) Also, my case doesn't compile faster in release mode.</p>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076231" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076231">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>we didn't close it because github is broken</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076240">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ok, I was able to comment <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/75992">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/75992</a> but not able to close it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076245" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076245">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>but that does indicate that maybe these are separate issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076247" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076247">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>exactly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076272" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076272">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>so we can leave that one open</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076298" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076298">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076308" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076308">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<h2>Async fn disagrees on its own return type ("one of the expected opaque types" vs "one of the found opaque types") <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/82921">#82921</a></h2>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076411" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076411">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>according to a comment, possible duplicate of <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/79648">#79648</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076423" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076423">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>This sounds similar to an issue I fixed a few weeks ago</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076590" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076590">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can take a look at it, but it likely won't be until next weekend</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076602" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076602">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>(this weekend is already booked)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076727" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076727">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, I'm not going to close as a duplicate right now, since it's just unclear what the underlying cause is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076744" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076744">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think this is definitely worth pursuing, though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076845" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076845">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>when github starts working again I'll mark it on deck :p</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230076945" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230076945">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, I think we can move on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077021" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077021">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree this is a good "on deck"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077143" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077143">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>I forgot to ask at the beginning of the meeting if there were any announcements</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077213" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077213">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-topic issue-triage-or-announcements</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077216" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077216">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Unknown Zulip user. Please add <code>zulip-id = 116883</code> to your file in <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/team">rust-lang/team</a>.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077251" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077251">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, it was worth a shot :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077327" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077327">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>..if not, let's move on to async vision!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077357" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077357">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I didn't know triagebot was addressable!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077397" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077397">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, the release team has been using it for their meetings</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077404" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077404">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>Neat</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077440" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077440">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>My main goal for async vision was to discuss the process that I proposed. I have a pending blog post too that I'd like to get eyes on.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077463" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077463">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>Not sure if folks had a chance to look at the process page</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077464" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077464">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:37)</a>:</h4>
<h1>Async vision</h1>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077496" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077496">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>Process page: <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/wg-async-foundations/vision/how_to_vision.html">How to vision</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077730" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077730">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>It might be worth starting with a diff from the process we discussed previously</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077731" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077731">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>The idea is pretty simple:</p>
<ul>
<li>Rest of March: People open "status quo" PRs, and we leave comments on them</li>
<li>Month of April: People open "shiny future" or "status quo" PRs, and we leave comments on them</li>
<li><strong>All</strong> of those PRs are merged into a "brainstorming" directory and we give awards</li>
<li>May: <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116883">@tmandry</span> and I will try to combine them into one vision doc that we can then discuss as we would an RFC</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077887" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077887">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have an explicit goal here that we ought to be able to encourage freewheeling discussion and brainstorming, especially in the shiny future period. If there is a shiny future that you think will hurt your applicaiton, you should totally ask questions about how case X would be handled -- but you can also open your own shiny future that tries to present an alternative (and which hopefully also helps the people that were helped by the original!)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230077929" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230077929">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>cool</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078024" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078024">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I haven't quite made up my mind about the "final decision" for the vision doc, but I think that if there is one, it belongs to the lang/libs teams (and/or other teams that may be implicated) -- that said, the vision doc is really just a plan to produce RFCs, so my feeling is that it's not a "deciison" in quite that same sense. Still, I'd like to get <em>some</em> kind of buy-in from the teams, especially around the design tenets, since I think the vision doc <em>is</em> binding in that this is what we <em>intend</em> to do (barring unforeseen complications)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078149" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078149">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:42)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/blog.rust-lang.org/pull/796">Blog post PR is here</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078153" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078153">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>My hope was to publish it on March 18</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078159" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078159">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or earlier, potentially)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078197" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078197">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am hoping to use some of the time before March 18 to also workshop a few more example "Status quo" stories</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078283" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078283">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I'd like to expand <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/wg-async-foundations/vision/status_quo/grace_deploys_her_service.html">the Grace story we have</a> into at least two stories, for example, and probably make it more detailed too)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078294" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078294">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>though I want keep the cat gif</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078299" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078299">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>very important</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078309" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078309">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, fin :) what do folks think?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078448" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078448">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm pretty excited overall :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078540" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078540">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also wrote a page giving guidelines on how to write comments</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078548" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078548">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>We all know this space has gotten quite heated in the past</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078579" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078579">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm quite eager to produce a space where people are feeling safe and happy to contribute</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078639" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078639">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>One thought I had was that maybe we can have a bot that leaves a comment on each opened PR pointing to those guidelines</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078683" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078683">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:46)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/wg-async-foundations/vision/how_to_vision/comment.html">https://rust-lang.github.io/wg-async-foundations/vision/how_to_vision/comment.html</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078709" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078709">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I like that idea</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078749" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078749">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wonder if the format will be out of the comfort zone of people used to writing regular non-narrative blog posts about technical issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078764" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078764">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>My only other thought was that maybe we want "templates" for stories, I'm not sure what GH offers in these regards, I don't think it has a nice way to make opening a PR provide a template...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078778" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078778">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I'm not too concerned about it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078782" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078782">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116883">tmandry</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12/near/230078749">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I wonder if the format will be out of the comfort zone of people used to writing regular non-narrative blog posts about technical issues</p>
</blockquote>
<p>ah yeah this is a thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078788" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078788">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've been thinking about volunteering to do interviews instead</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078794" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078794">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>and turn them into stories</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078836" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078836">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>not sure if others would be interested in doing that, it's probably not great if it's just me (just for availability reasons)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078908" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078908">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm. I might be doing that some for fuchsia</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230078953" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230078953">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>but e.g. I saw some tweets like <a href="https://twitter.com/tomaka17/status/1369918906471743489">https://twitter.com/tomaka17/status/1369918906471743489</a></p>
<div class="inline-preview-twitter"><div class="twitter-tweet"><a href="https://twitter.com/tomaka17/status/1369918906471743489"><img class="twitter-avatar" src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/854056528898347009/S4Ek_Kmx_normal.jpg"></a><p>Hi, I've been employed for the past 3.5 years to work full time on an tens of thousands of LoCs asynchronous Rust code base.

I feel like my experience would be valuable, but I also don't have the motivation to write a detailed blog post.</p><span>- tomaka (@tomaka17)</span></div></div>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079031" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079031">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:49)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116883">tmandry</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12/near/230078908">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>hmm. I might be doing that some for fuchsia</p>
</blockquote>
<p>right. I'm also trying to get some AWS folks to open PRs, but I figure for some I might just be better off talking to them.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079056" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079056">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, ideally I can convince fuchsia folks to go do this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079068" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079068">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>and that can free me up to help with the "general public"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079102" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079102">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we are going to need some more volunteers, though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079188" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079188">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm debating the best way to seek out such volunteers</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079234" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079234">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>another thing I'm really excited about with this process:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079244" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079244">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I want to write shiny futures for stuff I'm not sure about :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079264" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079264">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like if I write an RFC, I have to know that I want to do it to make it worthwhile</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079274" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Carl Lerche <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079274">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12/near/230077731">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The idea is pretty simple:</p>
<ul>
<li>Rest of March: People open "status quo" PRs, and we leave comments on them</li>
<li>Month of April: People open "shiny future" or "status quo" PRs, and we leave comments on them</li>
<li><strong>All</strong> of those PRs are merged into a "brainstorming" directory and we give awards</li>
<li>May: <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116883">tmandry</span> and I will try to combine them into one vision doc that we can then discuss as we would an RFC</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>I would say "tenets" should come before "shiny future" as they guide the shiny future.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079308" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079308">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah, good catch <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224941">@Carl Lerche</span> -- I kind of edited out where tenets fall in that timeline</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079372" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079372">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>I expect to be workshopping those with folks in March too, I kind of removed them from that summary because I don't think it's something I want to like put out a general call for contribution for</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079392" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Carl Lerche <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079392">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Shiny future PRs probably should explain how they fit in w/ those tenets</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079463" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079463">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me thinks</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079506" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079506">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I definitely think they'd be generally useful framing for evaluating shiny future PRs etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079539" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079539">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>(in the end, esp)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079540" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079540">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean if shiny futures are part of brainstorming</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079546" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Sean McArthur <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079546">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean, probably "should", but people may have ideas and not spent the time to connect them to tenets.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079565" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079565">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>right, I don't think they have to connet them to tenets up front</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079588" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079588">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that maybe comes more when knitting together things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079598" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Sean McArthur <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079598">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>it seems fine for the team to, afterwards, evaluate the submitted "shiny futures" against the tenets</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079609" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079609">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>the tenets should definitely be connected to the final vision</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079641" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079641">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's the other thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079654" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079654">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I definitely <em>do</em> want the teams to "decide" the tenets</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079668">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>but that comes later on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079684" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079684">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I don't think it makes sense to try and do it earlier</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079758" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079758">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I do think having a draft would be very good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079823" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079823">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:54)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12/near/230078788">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I've been thinking about volunteering to do interviews instead</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Another thing I've been thinking on this, is that there's already a wealth of information online; volunteers can be collecting that and using it to write stories</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079864" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079864">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>That's what I was trying to kick off in the "async vision - status quo" topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079940" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079940">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>That's probably worth adding to the blog post</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230079944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230079944">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>this seems a bit more approachable to me than interviewing, idk</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080016" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080016">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>Can we come up with a better place to collect that then a zulip stream?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080024" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080024">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>wiki?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080052" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080052">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, I was planning on starting a hackmd eventually, but haven't yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080060" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080060">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>wiki could work too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080114" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080114">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>we can even "pipeline" it where we have some people collecting and organizing the information, and some people using the curated information to write narratives :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080184" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080184">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>that said, the biggest risk I see in all this is having enough volunteers to do the work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080258" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080258">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I prefer hackmd to wiki personally</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080334" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080334">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I agree that finding people is the real thing and more imp't than anything else</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080364" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080364">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe just some tweets :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080383" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080383">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>and/or ask around</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080460" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080460">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, I'm hoping my recent twitter thread primed some potential contributors <span aria-label="shrug" class="emoji emoji-1f937" role="img" title="shrug">:shrug:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080541" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080541">(Mar 12 2021 at 18:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, we are coming up on the end of the hour</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080590" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080590">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> anything you wanted to cover before the end of the meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080649" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080649">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>no, I'm just thinking about what folks said</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080657" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080657">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>to summarize:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080710" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080710">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:00)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>need to work more on tenets, ideally we can have some kind of draft or <em>something</em> before blog post goes out</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080807" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080807">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:01)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>we can encourage people to either do interviews or convert blog posts, tweets, and raw materials into story (this can also be a form of interview; e.g., tamaka wrote some stuff, we could try to turn that into a post and then ask him how it reflects his experiences)</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080840" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080840">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:01)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>we have a bunch of notes already from the thread here, we should try to put that somewhere more accessible</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080865" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080865">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also have some conversations to write up, e.g. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> and I had a long (and interesting) chat</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230080962" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230080962">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>anything missing?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230081015" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230081015">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12/near/230080840">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>we have a bunch of notes already from the thread here, we should try to put that somewhere more accessible</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>I can work on this, and would love help once I get it started</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230081071" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230081071">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>awesome</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230081181" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230081181">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>another thing we didn't discuss is what the "prizes" are going to be, if anything :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230081211" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230081211">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, I have thought on that =) but I'd rather check one thing first</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230081300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230081300">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230081334" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230081334">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>sorry I've let it go over; let's call it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202021.03.12/near/230081352" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202021.2E03.2E12.html#230081352">(Mar 12 2021 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>Thanks all for coming, and have a great Friday <span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span></p>



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